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• #4049 jahrn senior tag BoogeyM@n. #4046

  2011-04-20 13:47:45 #4049

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  1. Azt mondom ne higgy a propagandanak, a pilotak mindig is szerettek "vastag ceruzaval" irkalni:

  From "Flying Guns: World War II' by Tony Williams: "The fighter-bomber pilots pressed home their attacks with great courage throughout the campaign despite the often ferocious light FlaK which caused loss rates far above those experienced by fighter units (one Typhoon squadron suffered 100% casualties in an eighteen-month period). They were confident that any German tank they spotted was as good as dead, and they earned a considerable reputation for tank killing, with substantial claims being accepted. However, British operational research (OR) carried out at the time (but not publicised for obvious reasons) presented a more complex picture. As the Allies were advancing, intelligence officers were often able to examine a battlefield shortly after an air attack, and what they discovered causes controversy even today. (Much of this section is taken from Ian Gooderson's "Air Power at the Battlefront", which explores this issue in great detail). The evidence gathered by the OR teams indicated that very few tanks were destroyed by air attack. A British War Office analysis of 223 Panther tanks destroyed in 1944 revealed that only fourteen resulted from air attack (eleven to RPs and three to aircraft cannon). During the Mortain battle of 7-10 August, the RAF and USAAF launched sustained attacks on a German armoured column over a period of six hours, claiming 252 German tanks destroyed or damaged in nearly 500 sorties. It was subsequently discovered that there had only been a total of 177 tanks or tank destroyers deployed by the Germans and just 46 of those were lost, of which only nine could be attributed to air attack (seven to RPs and two to bombs). During the German retreat from the Falaise pocket later in August, the RAF and USAAF claimed 391 armoured vehicles destroyed. Shortly afterwards, the battlefield was examined and only 133 armoured vehicles of all types were found, of which just 33 had been the victim of any sort of air attack. In the retreat to the Seine, large numbers of armoured vehicles were left behind and Typhoon pilots alone claimed 222 destroyed, but only thirteen out of 388 AFVs examined were found to have been knocked out by RP attack. In the Ardennes salient, just seven out of 101 knocked-out AFVs were definitely or possibly attributed to air attack, compared with claims for 90. It should be noted that in the prevailing circumstances of a continuing retreat, there was no question of the German Army having recovered any damaged tanks in these later actions, in fact the battlefields were often littered with undamaged tanks abandoned by their crews. One source estimates that probably no more than about 100 tanks were lost due to hits from air weapons during the entire Normandy campaign. In contrast, the RAF's 2nd TAF (including elements of the Air Defence of Britain which took part in the campaign) and the USAAF's 9th Air Force lost over 1,700 aircraft between them. The ineffectiveness of air attack against tanks should have caused no surprise because the weapons available to the fighter-bombers were not suitable for destroying them. Put simply, the heavy machine guns and 20 mm cannon were capable of hitting the tanks easily enough, but insufficiently powerful to damage them, except occasionally by chance. The RPs and bombs used were certainly capable of destroying the tanks but were too inaccurate to hit them, except occasionally by chance."

  2. A 2 fo alacsonytamado tipus a Typhoon meg a P-47, persze bevetettek mast is (P-38, P-51, A-26 etc), de ez a ket tipus birta a legjobban a gyurodeseket (kulonoskepp a P-47) es volt meg a sebessege h elmenekulhessen az AA hatokorebol (mert volt ugyebar az is^^).

  3. A leggyengebb tetopancelja a Stug-nak volt, 8mm ezt kb minden atvitte egy bizonyos tavolsagon belul. Az ellenpont a Tiger 2 a maga 40mm-es tetopancelzataval (Tiger I asszem 25mm), ezt meg egy 20mm-es gepagyu sem lovi at, max kb 100m-rol ami azert baszott bator (vagy agyhalott) pilotat feltetelez...

  Ha jol emlekszem azt irtak h a rovid 8,8cm-nek csokkentik a ROF-jat. Ez mondjuk kellemetlen lesz a VK bandanak...

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